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sunil707
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Hello Attorney and the Forum,

Please pardon me for such a long post. I really need to give you the detailed info so that you can understand the situation and give me a proper advise. It’s a situation of not knowing weather to be happy or not to be happy.

My Case:
I140/I485 concurrent / Sept’05 / EB2 / NSC;
Education: 3 years Bachelor’s of commerce degree from India;
Total experience in the field – 21 years;
Oct’05 - RFE on education and company’s ability to pay;
RFE responded on 1st week of Jan’06 – Documents submitted were: a) Very detailed evaluation b) Companies financial doc c) experience letter from a big company in India where I worked for 7 ½ years;
H1B 7th year extn valid until Oct’06;
Priority date: April 20, 2001

Got 2nd RFE today i.e. on 02/13/2006 as below:
:quote:
You have provided four education evaluations for the beneficiary. One equates to an associates degree, one equates the education to three years of higher education. The two most recent evaluations equate the foreign degree to a similar degree in the U.S. The current evaluations do not provide copies of the information used to equate the education to a U.S. Bachelor of Commerce degree.

The ETA-750 requires three years of college leading to a bachelor’s degree. Based on this, the Service is willing to approve the petition in the E32 professional category. However, based on the conflicting evaluation, the Service is unwilling to approve the case in the E21 advanced degree category.

Please advice how you wish to proceed in this matter.
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Looks like the officer has agreed to my education evaluation and the company’s financial position. He is willing to approve I-140 for EB3 category but not under EB2. I really don’t know what other evidence I can provide to have my case approved in EB2.

Questions/Thoughts:

Should I go ahead and tell NSC to go ahead approve under EB3?
The situations with this are:
a) My I485 will outright be rejected because it was applied in Sept’05 assuming the application was filed under EB2.
b) I need to wait for priority dates to be current for EB3 to reapply for my I-485. What if the priority date does not become current before my H1B (7th year extn) expires in Oct’06? In this case I have to leave USA for minimum 1 year. Please note that I may not be able to extend my H1B further because there will nothing be pending with USCIS that can help me in extn. (Remember this is in the scenario of I-140 approved).

In the other scenario, I have to provide copies of the information used to equate the education to a U.S. Bachelor of Commerce degree so that the officer can make a positive decision to I-140 under EB2. But per my understanding I have provided everything to them. I don’t know what else the officer wants?

The situations with this are:
a) I have to provide copies of the information used to equate the education to a U.S. Bachelor of Commerce degree so that the officer can make a positive decision to I-140 under EB2. But per my understanding I have provided everything to them. I don’t know what else the officer wants?
b) Please remember that the officer has not rejected my I-140, instead he raised 2nd RFE, which is not common in these type of scenario. What if I try to provide more evidence (I don’t know what) and based on the new evidence if the officer takes the final decision of rejecting the I-140 application. In this case I have to start the I140 & 1485 from the scratch.

Also somebody suggested that I should opt for EB3. Visa bulletin suggests priority date of January 1, 2001. I have priority date of April 20, 2001. It may not take long before my priority date is up. If it takes more than a year before the priority date is available and your H1B1 has expired, I am still safe here in U.S. as you are subject to 245(i) and 245(k). What you guys think on it?

Also please let me know of anything I am missing or should be knowing based on the above info.

Thanx a ton in advance for your valuable suggestions.

Sunil

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Abbaraju
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Sunil

Hi,
I have read your situation.
I am not an expert but to be honest with you, go ahead and tell him to approve under EB-3. Man your situation is far better because your PD is in April 2001 (not too far away). I don't understand what your problem is? If you mess this up, your 140 will be rejected right away. period. Who cares if your case falls in Eb-3 and 485 is sent back. Cheer up, shift to Eb3.
Thanks.

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sunil707
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Thanks Abbaraju,

I am going to accept EB3. I have to reply this RFE before May 4th. I am planning to wait for next two visa bulletins, April and May’06. I believe (do you?) that the chances are great for the priority dates passing April 2001 for EB3.

In this scenario (If priority date passes Apr’01), if needed, I may request the officer to move/convert I485 from EB2 to EB3 and thus I may not need to reapply I-485.

The detailed discussion on this issue is being discuss in the forum '140/485 Concurrent Filing'.

Thanks cor your suggestions and concerns.

Sunil

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Abbaraju
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Sunil

Yes, April and May bulletins will come out by then. Be positive, I am pretty sure that the dates will move beyond Apr, 01.
Thanks.

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mncbabu
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Accept it EB3

I had a similar experience. If you have only 3 years degree, no matter what you show for evaluation, they do not accept as a 4 year degree. It is your luck they have provided an option. It is very difficult to force them to approve in EB2.

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Evaluator_18
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EB3

You can have whoever did your second evaluation write a letter explaining the conflicting evaluations - but your lawyer will have to decide for you if it will cause you to lose the EB3 status if they do not accept it. It appears that they did accept your 3 year degree as equivalent to a US degree so an explanation of the conflict may work too.

This is a good example of doing the evaluation the best way the first time- before an RFE.

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sunil707
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mncbabu:
I had a similar experience. If you have only 3 years degree, no matter what you show for evaluation, they do not accept as a 4 year degree. It is your luck they have provided an option. It is very difficult to force them to approve in EB2.[/QUOTE]

Dear Mncbabu - They (specially NSC) do except the 3 years degree provided it is properly evaluated and backed by some expert opinion. I did submit my first evaluation with the I-140 application. That was Masters in Computer Science based on education (three years degree in commerce) and my 21 years of IT experience. Got an RFE on that saying they do not mix the edu with experience. Then I did submit a very detailed evaluation of only the degree (credit by credit) along with an expert opinion. They accepted it. It’s a different issue that they agreed upon EB3 and not EB2. But the end result is that they accepted the 3 years degree equiv to 4 years of US degree. If you or someone need more info you can reach me at sunil seven zero seven at h0tmail d0t c0m.

Sunil

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>>>>>b) I need to wait for priority dates to be current for EB3 to reapply for my I-485. What if the priority date does not become current before my H1B (7th year extn) expires in Oct’06? In this case I have to leave USA for minimum 1 year. Please note that I may not be able to extend my H1B further because there will nothing be pending with USCIS that can help me in extn. (Remember this is in the scenario of I-140 approved).

Sunil, please correct me if I am wrong. If you have your I-140 approved under EB3 and still waiting to file your 485 at the time of expiration of your H1B, you should be able to get 3 yrs. extension on your H1B, right? Why do you have to leave the country for 1 year?

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sunil707
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You are right gmb. I don't have to leave the country.

I was under the wrong impression when I posted the first msg. Earlier I thought that there has to be something pending to get the H1B ext. beyond 6 years e.g. labor pending for more then 1 year or I140 pending for approval.

Now I understand (I guess…) that if I-140 is approved I can get the 3 years extn weather the I485 is pending or not.

Thanks for your concerns 'gmb'…

Sunil

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Evaluator_18
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What did you decide?

Sunil -- Are you keeping the EB3 or going for the EB2?

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sunil707
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To Evaluator_18

I have not yet submitted the response to RFE. I was thinking that my PD (Apr 2001) will become current under EB3 in this month’s (April) VISA bulletin but unfortunately it came only up to 01FEB01.

My idea is to wait for next bulletin (May) and hope this to become 01MAY01. In this case I can easily accept EB3 also we can request the officer to move my I485 application to EB3 since the PD is before the cut-off date.

My attorney’s suggestion is to reply ASAP with the acceptance of EB3 before the officer changes his mind possibly. My only concern is I485. Will it be moved to EB3 or will it be rejected? I submitted my applications (140 & 485) after EB3 but before the EB2 retrogression.

Though ***** has provided me one additional letter to support the EB2 with the response to 140 RFE, my attorney seems not much interested using that. So far my attorney has not made any decision on what he wants to include in the response to the RFE, so it too early to say so.

Sunil

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EB2 or EB3 its just a few months difference for you. You must always choose a safe side. What if the I-140 further got delayed due to any unforeseen reasons? You won't even be able to extend your H1B then. So go ahead accept under EB3 and keep some time spared for approval notice.

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senthiltamil
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Sunil707,

Did your case get approved?

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Sunil,
Is your case approved.Pelase let us know

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sunil707
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Yes, It got approved

senthiltamil/krisca and others,

Sorry for a delayed reply...

My I-140 got approved after we submitted response to RFE saying that we agree to approval under EB3 blah blah blah. We did not pursue EB2 at all in the RFE response.

Now My I-485 is stuck in Name Check. I came to know this when I asked USCIS over phone and in 2 weeks they sent me a letter stating so.

But, Yes - I140 is approved and I am currently working on 3 years of extn. on H1B.

Sunil

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Guys, does a 3 year degree + 3 year MCA (plus 12 years experience) qualifies for EB2? The evaluation during H1 says equivalent to US Masters.

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what sis your 3 year degree in?
what is your experience in?
EB2 depends on case by case, so post more details.

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